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| Mar 26, 2007 04:38 | #11   |
 | "Yes, China's economy is truly market-based. As China unifies more and more with the global economy prices should continue to rise." I am happy that Chinese inflation is, for example, only 4-5 %, but in the West is much more. "What surprises me is the claims of communism (too long to discuss here) would not permit such a free-market, shifting economy to monopolize other's profit." The communism is still not existing. Before the Communism we have to build the Socialism. This is the dialectical way of the development. "But, being far from a perfect world in which we live in, I still love having the option of a meal for less than 5 RMB." Because you are a normal person. Only the snobs and freaks like to spend more money for one and the same quality and qauntity. * * * |
| Mar 26, 2007 20:57 | #12 |
| SANYACHINA , I think you have taken less account of the PEAK of travelers during that time. I think the fact is that no matter what prices they are, the occupation is always full. I guess it might be 100 things x 10 RMB or 100 things x 5 RMB. |
| Mar 27, 2007 10:20 | #13 |
| "SANYACHINA , I think you have taken less account of the PEAK of travelers during that time. I think the fact is that no matter what prices they are, the occupation is always full." Oh yeah? I don't think so. For example 5 star hotels are never full. But the cheap hotels are almost everytime full. Of course sometimes we can meet a lot of snobbish and/or stupid people who don't like to safe money and they are irresponsible, but as I can see the majority of Chinese people like to safe money. "I guess it might be 100 things x 10 RMB or 100 things x 5 RMB." If I see ONE AND THE SAME GOODS in one place 10 RMB and another place 5 RMB. I prefer to buy the second one. It is because I am normal and I can calculate some numbers. In my private life I never met a person all around the world who will just lose his money. |
| Mar 27, 2007 20:06 | #14 |
| Yes, it is true Sanyachina, maybe What you said is also a fact, about the star-rated hotels. But I think the businessmen would never make nonbeneficial business. There must be some more profits here. |
| Mar 28, 2007 13:24 | #15 |
| The businessmen in China are often very greedy. So they are losing clients very fast. It is in every level - from the peasant seller who want to cheat you for few RMB to the owners of some companies...Type in Google "Chinese are greedy" or "The Chinese are greedy." and you will see how the foreigners think about it. I already met some guys who prefer to work with everyone but not with Chinese business, just because of this and because of some other reasons. Shame!... |
| Mar 28, 2007 19:46 | #16 |
| SanyaC: first, I haven't heard that word 'dialectic' since I studied politics way way back...though I would suggest that the govenmemnt's 'scientific development' has its roots in the same idea. Second, I have never found cheap hotels are full when I try to book in but maybe my 'cheap' is not the same as your 'cheap'. Third, inflation in Australia is certainly way under the 4-5% you suggested applies in the west, it is just over half of that. Anyway, I agree with your last post (mostly) that businessmen cheat as a matter of routine and that is sad for a country which is officially socialist - in practice it is easier to be one of the worst of capitalist bosses in China than any developed country. But I don't agree this is true at the poorest end, market stallholders, taxi drivers, small restaurants etc have nearly always been honest in the smaller cities that I have spent most time. Sometimes they even want to give me free things and taxi drivers have reduced the fare below the meter. |
| Mar 29, 2007 10:03 | #17 |
| Brother's, Five fingers are not equal |
| Mar 29, 2007 16:42 | #18 |
| "SanyaC: first, I haven't heard that word 'dialectic' since I studied politics way way back..." Yes, it is a philosophical word. "Second, I have never found cheap hotels are full when I try to book in but maybe my 'cheap' is not the same as your 'cheap'." Yes, I am a poor guy. I am talking about hotels like 50 - 60 RMB / person. "Third, inflation in Australia is certainly way under the 4-5% you suggested applies in the west, it is just over half of that." According to the CIA factbook inflation in Australia is higher than Chinese one. "Anyway, I agree with your last post (mostly) that businessmen cheat as a matter of routine and that is sad for a country which is officially socialist" Yes, it is because of the bad ethics of these people, not because of the system. The system provides enough education, cheap info, and so on. If you want to study how to be good and how to satisfy your clients - you can do it. But they are often uneducated or low educated or/and heartless people, so...sometimes the system destroy them, it is natural. "- in practice it is easier to be one of the worst of capitalist bosses in China than any developed country." Why? Because of the low self-education of the workers. If they read more books about the law, the constitution, the political structures, etc., they will be not easy sheep for some of these big bad wolves. AND IN THE DEVELOPED COUNTRIES THE BOSSES CAN NOT BE BAD, BECAUSE THERE THE REAL BIG BOSSES ARE DOING WHAT THEY LIKE TO DO. FOR EXAMPLE THEY CAN DECIDE TO LEGALIZE THE NARCOTICS - AND THEY DO IT... "But I don't agree this is true at the poorest end, market stallholders, taxi drivers, small restaurants etc have nearly always been honest in the smaller cities that I have spent most time. Sometimes they even want to give me free things and taxi drivers have reduced the fare below the meter." Well, everywhere we can meet good Chinese. In small cities I met greedy taxi-drivers and in megapolises as Shanghai I met good taxi-drivers. BUT THE TRUTH IS THAT WHEN THEY THINK I AM A FOREIGNER THE PRICES ARE doble or tripple! When they think that I am a "Xinjiang ren" the prices are almost normal. |
| Mar 29, 2007 17:46 | #19 |
| Oh, SanyaChina! You believe the CIA? So you believe there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, then?? "...becuse of the low self education of the workers...." and "...they are often uneducated or low educated or/and heartless people, so...sometimes the system destroy them, it is natural." WOW! WOW! Sir, I think you have shot yourself in the foot! |
| Mar 29, 2007 18:37 | #20 |
| Well, the inflation is not so complicated as the weapons of mass destruction. But if you don't like CIA factbook, no problem. Please, show me your statistics online to compare the inflation rates in Australia and China. "WOW! WOW! Sir, I think you have shot yourself in the foot!" May be it will be possible if I am living in a country where to shot is "normal". But I am living in a normal country, where to shot is not normal and it is priority only of the authrized institutions. Btw, I have no idea why my socio-ethical syllogisms are making you to think that I posses a gun! :D:D:D:D If it is because of I said that workers are low self-educated and the bosses are low educated - I WILL EXPLAIN : -The bosses lack of education is in MORAL, PSYCHOLOGY, etc. -The workers lack of education is in LAW. /Mostly/. I.e. different points of the GNOSEOLOGY. If someone still do not understand I will give you a rude example: -A boss is low educated and he have now idea that the worker have some needs - to love, to rest, to enjoy something...For him the worker is just a machine... -The worker is low educated and he have no idea, that the law provide him a lot of possibilities to MAKE THE BOSS KNOW that he/she is a PERSON. Now I hope all is clear. |
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