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| Nov 15, 2006 07:19 | #21   |
 | 1. U refused to accept that people can think that westerners are ugly and look like animals, do u ? That is a fact and it is not racism. One is not racist when he says that westerners are handsome, exotic ? Something that u like to hear ? 2. If stating a fact openly here is against your principle, why your couontrymen can advertise for women here ? 3. Of cos foreigners cannot get into yoru country to work without permission and justification. Either u don't know, too low level to know or u are lieing. 4. Of cos, it is none of my business why you guys wanna come here. Didn't I state it categorically ? I am curious because of the behaviour of these expats incl you. 5. Who the hell are you ? U joined today but u know me well. Please don't hide. Come out. |
| Nov 15, 2006 07:32 | #22 |
| " people can think that westerners are ugly and look like animals, do u ? That is a fact and it is not racism. " - i see the apple doesnt fall far from the appletree. "One is not racist when he says that westerners are handsome, exotic ?" - i will agree that that is wrong, can you agree that what you are saying about foreigners being ugly is wrong? " why your couontrymen can advertise for women here ?" -the same reason chinese women can advertise for western men here. "Of cos foreigners cannot get into yoru country to work without permission and justification. Either u don't know, too low level to know or u are lieing." -of course they cant!! but all foreigners working in china are here with permission and justification, and they shouldnt be judged on what they do in their own time. "I am curious because of the behaviour of these expats incl you." -behaviour?!?! i wasnt aware i did anything wrong! all i did was disagree with you on a few issues, and if thats too much for you to handle im sorry. |
| Nov 15, 2006 08:08 | #23 |
| Wow, you suddenly sound so civil, Damocles. No, I still don't think it is racism to think the westerners are ugly. It is an opinion just like u can have yours. Women advertising here for men are professional women who are earning a living. U don't seem to read my comments earlier & don't seem to understand the difference. Anyway, let's put a stop to this. I feel so foolish debating about something that locals are not concerned at at all. Btw - who are u ? |
| Nov 15, 2006 08:24 | #24 |
| "Wow, you suddenly sound so civil, Damocles." -unfortunatly computers sometimes make sarcasm sound like civility. "No, I still don't think it is racism to think the westerners are ugly. It is an opinion just like u can have yours." -ok...if someone were to say that all chinese people are stupid that is an opinion, are you saying you would not take offence to that? doubtful!! "I feel so foolish debating about something that locals are not concerned at at all." -well you are a local and you post more on this topic than anyone else so obviously it is important to you. "who are u ?" ive been living here, with full permission and justification, for about 9 months training chinese pilots for china's expanding aviation industry. to prevent any followup question regarding my "real" reasons for coming here, it was the bucketload of money thrown my way! |
| Nov 15, 2006 12:29 | #25 |
| Some years back, an expat told me that to work in the Far East is considered a "hardship posting". Hence, for the expat concerned, he would expect to be duly compensated by being paid generous allowances. Some expats I know of, get maid, housing and travel allowances, among other perks. I am not sure if this notion is still valid. Then there is the other kind of "expat", termed a drifter or driftwood. They are aimless, pretty much like a ship without sail, going wherever the waves carry them. Somehow they land on the shores of some Asian countries, take on "easy" jobs like teaching English to the "natives" while savouring some exotic "titbits" (pun intended) on the side. They don't mind jobs on local terms as it helps pay their rent/travel/adventure. They find it easy to get jobs as English teachers as the perception among gullible Asians is that a white person must surely be good in his native tongue. I just got back from Vietnam recently and was appaled when a friend showed me a "Beginner's English" textbook. In the textbook, it seems like the author was trying to propagate useless American English and culture. Example of a useless phrase: "Mr Smith drove up in a Cadillac". I was just wondering what is the relevance of a Cadillac to a typical Vietnamese earning USD80 a month. To conclude, I would say to expats working in China, enjoy while it lasts. The honeymoon will soon be over. |
| Nov 15, 2006 17:09 | #26 |
| It finally dawned on me that I have been dealing with a group of low-level expats - a level different & much lower than I first thought. This group displays a lack of high level thoughts, knowledge and awareness. It is thus now understandable that they are landed in China & in jobs that do not really need them of such capability. Other than the ability to speak English (which millions can - incl non native speakers), they really have nothing else. And this is exactly what I was trying to find out about them. I can understand now the thinking, utterances & behaviour they display here. They are here simply because there is no other choice for them back in their own countries, that's it. Who else want them ? There is no way they could find such a post in Malaysian/SG, I can assure you ! Yes, the day will come soon when China upgrades herself and these people will not be worth even a look at. I hope that day comes real soon. Cheerios ! |
| Nov 15, 2006 17:29 | #27 |
| Hello everyone. I haven't been able to get on the Net for a while but now I can it's time to rejoin the discussion. I still take issue with much of what our friend Pinetree says. Mostly because he sees things in black and white. Certainly some expats come to Chine for dubious reasons, but I think they are the minority. Most come for the reasons already discussed, interest in China or career, not because the girls are 'easy'. If you want to find a bride you don't come to China to work, you use the agencies where the girls declare themselves. Of ourse those who come to work might get a girlfriend (or more, over time) in China, but in most cases it is an equal relationship, the girls are aware of what they are doing. MOST Chinese girls do NOT want a western boyfrined or husband, MOST do not want to live overseas. I had other friends who visited the clubs and generally slept around, but surely the girls who visit the clubs are also 'on the make'... it isn't only men who want a good time. As I have said in a previopus thread, those who criticise the male expats need to consider the behaviour of Chinese married men. One of my Chinese male colleagues estimated that (in his town) 90% of married profeesiional men visit brothels on a regular basis. I find this appalling, but of course I 'don't understand Chinese culture'!!! On the more boring subject of the hiring of teachers, I remember agreeing with Pinetree (YES!) in one of my first posts here, that a policy change is needed. Employment should be skill based rather than based on country of origin. There are many 'English' speakers with accents and styles that are very difficult to understand, and there are some 'Chinese' who have excellent English. Yes, there are many policy changes that could be made in China! But give the country a chance... there have already been so many reforms... I am amazed how much has been achieved in such a short time. As a final note, foreign teachers are often hired for their knowledge of western countries and culture, for having alternative teaching styles, or simply because that is what the Chinese parents want and are prepared to pay for! |
| Nov 15, 2006 18:26 | #28 |
| "It finally dawned on me that I have been dealing with a group of low-level expats" - i knew from reading your first post you were a low level local, who obviously has some feelings of inadequacy and seems to be projecting them at foreigners. "This group displays a lack of high level thoughts, knowledge and awareness." -but your making racist comments displays your high level of knowledge and awareness, you deserve a nobel prize!! "It is thus now understandable that they are landed in China & in jobs that do not really need them of such capability." -buddy are you on crack? chinese airlines are hemorrhaging millions of dollars a day because of the complete lack of qualified pilots in this country, hence my reason for being here. "They are here simply because there is no other choice for them back in their own countries, that's it. " - i could very easily find work in my home country right now. the reason i came, and im repeating myself, is the bucketload of money thrown my way. so this will probably be my last post on this topic. pinetree, your whole argument smacks of a resentment of foreigners. the simple fact is that china needs foreigners to, as you put it in your post, "upgrade herself", and if you have a problem with it, deal with it yourself, dont write nasty things about us on the internet. that just makes you look "low level". |
| Nov 15, 2006 20:34 | #29 |
| Hohoho, Damocles. Why are you so upset by my comments if it doesn't apply to you ? Actually my comments sort of excluded you - because I thot your job made u a little different. Hahaha !! How wrong I was and how wrong, so wrong u are - it is the quality in you. U are the same no different at all. Am I resentful to foreigners in China ? Well, I don't really know - maybe I am. U are telling me that you are not if your job is taken by a non-Canadian in your country? Let's give you the benefit of the doubt that you are not. But surely your country is. There are so much restrictions on foreigners for every country including yours and you are denying this ? It just confirms my belief of the ignorance of the expats here. Every job(esp higher level ones) given to foreigners has to be justified - not by you but by your Company/Govt - in your case probably the Chinese govt or Chinese Airlines before they are allowed to rectuit. The permit/visa/etc/etc for YOU are just mere follow-up procedural matters. And I am simply not interested in how much money were thrown at you - of cos u are not there for free. But obviously, you are too low level to be aware of what happens behind your back & what is involved in approving your posting to China as well. So pl dont argue further - because u don't know what you are talking about. Have fun. |
| Nov 15, 2006 22:28 | #30 |
| OK, I have not been to China myself to give opinions on comments made on this forum, but I do have something to say about why I think Chinese girl will choose westerners over the others. Firstly I am a Chinese living in Sydney, so maybe I can give some unbiasd opinions. Without doubt, some girls do like westerners only because of their money. However, I think the truth is that westerners know how to enjoy life a bit more better because life allows them, and that is attraction to girls who don't have much. Most of you will be surprise that it is not only in China that asian girls prefer westerner, even here in Australia this is somewhat true as well. Why? It is because of their looks? Is it because of their money? You can take money out of the equation, beacuse most people I know make quiet a bit. The truth is, western style relationship focus a lot on the love between the two people. Here we are not as concern about income as much therefore we can focus a lot more on love. And most women just want to loved. If you know how to love them, they will choose you. No matter your skin colour or your background. I will keep it short but I have another point to make. Here in Australia, Asians tend to be categorised into two groups. Those who assimilate into the Australian society, and those who we call FOB, and refuse to speak English and still act like they are in Asia. Surprisingly, most girls will choose the first group of guys, and the second group of guys will have some much to say why girls like the first group more. That's life for you. Steve |
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