| China, India, who will lead the 2nd world? | |
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| Oct 20, 2007 23:35 | #11   |
 | Sorry, China at the left--------------India at the right |
| Oct 21, 2007 02:23 | #12 |
| Jcnile, This is an image by now it doesnt take any evolution into account. The problem of military power here is not espacially important, since no war between them is at sight. Plus Chinese weapons are mostly outdated. |
| Oct 22, 2007 05:05 | #13 |
| Both India and China need continuing trade to be able to expand their respective economies. Their success to date has been based on this. The Warsaw pack countries had over 100,000 Tanks between them. The local scrap merchants made a good profit from this. It is a pity that we cannot learn from history and divert our efforts into better things than manufacturing a “better way of killing people” Ok, my time in the Pulpit is over…again. Dodger. |
| Oct 22, 2007 08:43 | #14 |
| Dodgers, Quote of the day, (It is a pity that we cannot learn from history and divert our efforts into better things than manufacturing a “better way of killing people” Ok, my time in the Pulpit is over…again.) Dodger. I can only tell you that not one can build peace without strength. Otherwise, if possible, mention a passage in history where a people manage just that. I need to learn! On the other hand is very easy to be John Lennon, but he was just a rich singer with a pulpit, nothing more. In other words in the matters of nation building, he was a no-body. It is very easy to go to Africa, adopt a child and think that you are rescuing the world. |
| Oct 22, 2007 09:25 | #15 |
| Your quote, Mr Erencius, (This is an image by now it doesnt take any evolution into account. The problem of military power here is not espacially important, since no war between them is at sight. Plus Chinese weapons are mostly outdated.) Who knows the bottom line ever, do you? If you do, can you share it with us? I give you an up to 2006; give us an up to date, please. History is my best support, what was china able to do on the last 400 years but survive? With every country on earth plotting how to conquer her and take its treasures. Chinas successes come from the strength of its military with in the last 70, 80 years. Now, to help you understand the facts, I, also provided you with information about their wealth, do read that? Most everybody"s weapons are outdated too. A purchasing power of $ 8,182,000,000,000 for China, it is only second to that of the United States of America. From 8 trillion to 3.5 trillion there are miles in between. Chinas Gold Reserves of $ 795, 100,000,000 are only second to Japan. If you can, please show some fact, not just words. China-----------------------------India 1,700 Merchant Marine Units 313 7 Major Ports 8 3,504,000 (bbl per day) Oil Production 785,000 (bbl per day) 6,391,000 (bbl per day) Oil Consumption 2,320,000 (bbl per day) 18,260,000,000 Proven Oil Reserves 5,700,000,000 1,809,829 Km Roadways 3,851,440 Km 71,898 Km Railways 63,230 Km 123,964 Km Waterways 14,500 Km 9,596,960 Sq Km Land Area 3,287,590 Sq Km 489 Airports 334 791,400,000 Labor Force 496,400,000 $8,182,000,000,000 Purchasing Power $3,699,000,000,000 $795,100,000,000 Gold Reserves $145,000,000,000 |
| Oct 22, 2007 18:06 | #16 |
| Offshore : la Chine devant l'Inde en 2011 Selon le dernier classement des centres offshore d'IDC, les villes chinoises monteraient en puissance pour ravir les premières places en 2011. Infrastructures et maîtrise de l'anglais joueraient en leur faveur. Envoyer Imprimer En savoir plus * Enquête : Externalisation, entre contrôle et sélectivitéx * Guide : La prestation offshore * Dossier : Externalisation IT Quatre ans. C'est le temps qu'il pourrait falloir à la Chine pour dérober à l'Inde son leadership dans le domaine des services informatiques, si l'on se réfère à une mesure du marché de l'offshore effectuée par IDC. Toutefois, pour l'heure, l'Inde conserve la primauté. En 2006, les services IT dans ce pays ont généré pas moins de 40 milliards de dollars de revenus, soit une progression de 27% sur un an. |
| Oct 22, 2007 18:07 | #17 |
| Sur l'année fiscale 2007-2008, l'Inde ne devrait pas non plus perdre sa première place. La National Association of Software and Service Companies (Nasscom) estime en effet à 50 milliards de dollars son chiffre d'affaires dans le secteur. Toujours selon la Nasscom, cette valeur pourrait même atteindre le cap des 60 milliards de dollars d'ici 2009-2010. Avec des prévisions si encourageantes, on imagine mal comment l'Inde pourrait être destituée. Le cabinet IDC laisse toutefois planer une incertitude, considérant que les villes chinoises devraient détrôner en 2011 les actuelles capitales de l'offshore que sont Bangalore, Mumbai et Delhi en Inde, et Manille aux Philippines. IDC a en effet dévoilé son dernier indicateur Global Delivery Index, comparant 35 villes et centres d'externalisation de services informatiques de la zone Asie-Pacifique. La notation se fait sur la base de plusieurs critères tels que le coût du travail, la maîtrise de la langue, les politiques gouvernementales, le turn-over ou la qualité des infrastructures. Le top 10 des villes en 2007 classe Bangalore premier centre d'offshore, devant Manille, Delhi et Numbai. Néanmoins, à seulement quelques encablures derrières, en 5e, 6e et 7e positions, arrivent les villes chinoises de Dalian, Shanghai et Beijing. Ces dernières devraient monopoliser les premières places aux dépens de l'Inde dès 2011, grâce aux investissements réalisés pour se doter des infrastructures nécessaires, notamment en matière de connexions Internet. Un ingénieur indien gagnerait 75% du salaire américain, contre 25% en 2004 Le niveau de compétence technique et linguistique serait aussi un atout pour la Chine. Cependant, la montée en puissance de l'Empire du Milieu ne rimerait pas nécessairement avec le recul de l'Inde, dont l'activité se concentrerait avant tout sur les marchés américain et européen. Les opportunités pour la Chine se trouveraient plus majoritairement au Japon et en Corée. Malgré des prévisions de croissance optimistes, l'Inde commencerait déjà à souffrir de l'inflation du coût de la main d'œuvre. Ainsi en 2004, le salaire d'un ingénieur logiciel indien n'était que le quart de celui de son homologue américain. Il serait désormais égal à 75% de la rémunération allouée aux Etats-Unis. Les pays recourant à l'offshore pourraient ainsi, pour des raisons de compétitivité, se tourner vers la Chine, mais aussi la Russie. Le cabinet Forrester se montre sur ce point bien point catégorique qu'IDC, rappelant notamment que 2 ans plutôt des prévisions faisaient déjà de la Chine un challenger sérieux. Or, le pays serait loin d'avoir tenu toutes ses promesses. Ainsi, si le pays attire bien des entreprises japonaises et coréennes, ces dernières préfèrent implanter elles mêmes des bureaux plutôt qu'externaliser auprès de prestataires. |
| Oct 22, 2007 18:11 | #18 |
| En outre, contrairement à l'Inde qui compte des géants nationaux comme Infosys, Tata Consultancy Services ou Wipro, la Chine ne disposerait pas de tels champions capables de gérer des contrats de services de grande ampleur. Enfin, même si la Chine a très significativement amélioré la qualité de son enseignement, ses étudiants ne peuvent prétendre à une maitrise de l'anglais équivalente à celle des indiens. It says basically that china will get over India for what is about offshore services by 2011. But India will keep the advantage in western countries. China will take the Eastern market (japan and korea). According to this survey they are gonna be tied for a while. |
| Oct 22, 2007 18:27 | #19 |
| Do look in this article though. India-China Trade, Lessons Learned and Projections for 2015 (Economic and Political Weekly, n° 26, june 2006) The guy who wrote this article is a worldwide specialist about indian and chinese economy and according to him, India will overcome China around 2010-2015. Every doubt is permitted it seems. What is important are not today numbers, it is the growth of these numbers. But not only. To analyse a country s future economy you have to take into account the strategies it implemented. To give just one example, Chinese population will grow old and since the birth rate control has been implemented China will have to face by this time a demographic problem it never had before whereas Indian population will still be very young... We ll see what happens. Just try to infer what it means economically speaking, then you ll know. But this is just one statment mentionned in this article... You have plenty at your disposal, but for now i've got to get some sleep ;). |
| Oct 23, 2007 05:47 | #20 |
| JC, Who was the US President who said “carry a big stick but talk softly?” I am not suggesting for one moment that India and China should remain weak militarily. They both need to be able to defend themselves. To answer your question on “I can only tell you that not one can build peace without strength” most conflicts has been in the past have been started through miscommunication. We have no excuses now. You will note that throughout the cold war between the USSR and the US there was no Armageddon. Both leaders had a direct telephone line. As to troubadours with a political opinion such as John Lennon, I think they should stick to entertaining us or put their money were their mouths are and not into tax havens. So to me they have little credibility. As to the African problem with the sick and poor and starving and the orphans I have no answer. I have no intention of subsidising the Warlords of this continent. On your comment to Erencius about the last four hundred years of invaders into China etc, perhaps the problem started with China? It was not sovereign nation much like Germany and Italy in the mid eighteen hundreds.. The process of gaining access into ports was expedited by Chinese merchants and corrupt officials. We may be reading history from different books however Dodger, |
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