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| May 19, 2008 09:10 | #31   |
 | Have heard about it, but know little of the details. Once again, not exposed or pursued by Western media. |
| Jun 6, 2008 19:45 | #32 |
| The Soviet Union declared war on Japan AFTER the atomic bomb was dropped and their troops invaded China driving halfway down Korea. Soviet influence in the North and United Nations influence in the South was a cruel result of that action. By international agreement made during WW2, Korea was to be freed from Japanese domination and allowed establish themselves as a free and independent country, as they were before 1910. The Soviet Union prodded the North to invade and provided equipment and pilots. When the Chinese troops appeared without announcement , UN forces were unsure as to how to deal with this escalation. This led to the Yalu river being a dividing line where UN forces and aircraft would not purposely fly over China but Chinese aircraft would fly from and return to China. Also, bridges allowing military traffic were not allowed to be attacked on the Chinese side. I have spoken with some Chinese veterans and have personally known some US veterans of that conflict but I was never assured that the Chinese forces were "volunteers" meaning that they could refuse to fight in Korea. I am still amazed that the Beijing Military Museum proudly displays a Soviet-built MiG-15 with North Korean insignia that shot down 8 UN aircraft. The museum also proudly displays cannon and other military items captured from UN forces and sent back to China. I wish Korea were unified but not if the whole country ends up like the North! |
| Jun 9, 2008 22:03 | #33 |
| Quote >>The Soviet Union prodded the North to invade and provided equipment and pilots. When the Chinese troops appeared without announcement , UN forces were unsure as to how to deal with this escalation. Yinduffy, interesting! Your narration of the war is obviously from a western perspective. I am not saying if it is right or wrong, but I can offer you a description of the war from Chinese perspective, say: the narration in Chinese History Book. The United States propped the South Korean Regime to invade the north aiming to impose western influence on North Korea and hence contain the Newly-founded PRC (People's Republic of China) and communism. |
| Jun 10, 2008 20:52 | #34 |
| Central planning boys' game is fighting, while bloody war is no good, I prefer communism dream, but this is just ideal. eventually, Korea penninsulaa conflict switch to economic war. the massive aid to Korea, taiwan, including opening US market to those areas adjacent to china as incentives to prevent those those areas from falling into the hands of of communism. by stimulating intra-regional trade to fortify the bonding of its outpost contries like japan, korea and taiwan and other european and japanese colonies in south east asia...the period of US blocking China gave tremendous opportunities to those countries and area, NOW we are waking up... |
| Jun 10, 2008 22:10 | #35 |
| Leonardo, Yinduffy’s overview is a common one from a Western perspective on this conflict. This is also the same view that the “United Nations” held. It was certainly perceived as a victory by China at the time. Pu Yi quotes it as such in his autobiography. Apart from being used as a cause to unite a new government and it’s people in China I suspect that it was also an opportunity to dispose of a few troops who’s loyalty was suspect. Dodger. |
| Jun 10, 2008 22:36 | #36 |
| Quote >>Apart from being used as a cause to unite a new government and it’s people in China I suspect that it was also an opportunity to dispose of a few troops who’s loyalty was suspect. Dodger, as I have mentioned in ther previous replies to this thread, my uncle was one of the members of People' Volunteering Army. From the conversation with him, I have learnt that volunteer soldiers were quite loyal to the CPC and Chairman Mao at that time. As I can perceive from the older people around me, people of the early generations(1950s-1970s) were unbelievably loyal to Chairman Mao. He was a charismatic hero in the older Chinese people's heart. So, the troops' loyalty is no need to suspect. So your father did not go to the Korean War. Well, have you ever heard of the People's Volunteering Army of China? My uncle (my mother's elder brother) was one of the members of PVA. He left home for the War at the age of 18, and stayed in Korea for several year. My grandmother missed him so much that she became blind because of the anxiety and too much tears. This is what the Korean War did for my uncle's family |
| Jun 11, 2008 05:39 | #37 |
| Leonardo, My wife is a great fan of the Chairman and will not hear any said against him and rightly so. Yes I have heard of the PVA. Many of my Instructors served in this conflict and spoke highly of the bravery of their enemy. When the bands stop playing and the crowd go home old soldiers are quickly forgotten. Sorry if I have upset you. Dodger. |
| Jun 11, 2008 16:31 | #38 |
| Leonardo, Facts are facts. At 04:00 on Sunday morning, June 25,1950 the forces of North Korea attacked and entered the country of South Korea. Attacking by land, air and sea those forces advanced rapidly. On Oct.15,1950 a F-51 Mustang fighter plane was shot down by anti-aircraft fire from from China. On Oct.26 a U.S. Army patrol captured a Chinese soldier. After a battle on November 1, U.S. Military intelligence confirmed that Chinese Army troops had taken part in the battle. No announcement was made from either North Korea or China regarding volunteers assisting the North Korean forces. This led to serious discussion about China's intent. The UN forces decided to not violate China's sovereignty. The Military head of UN forces in Korea was relieved of his position because he wanted to retaliate against China. Thousands of brave Chinese soldiers died to keep North Korea a Communist dictatorship. Thousands of brave UN troops died to keep South Korea free. Which country has an elected leadership? Which country has a thriving economy? Which country has cell phones? Which country allows it's citizens to travel to other countries? The U.S has lately reduced its presence in the South and China has moved troops to its North East to deal with a potential flood of refugees should the Kim Jong Il's regime collapse. No one has "won" the Korean war - yet. An armistice is in effect and neither side has surrendered or signed a peace accord. |
| Jun 11, 2008 23:17 | #39 |
| Yinduffy, I can fully understand what you mean. I have stated my intention clearly in the previous post: >>Your narration of the war is obviously from a western perspective. I am not saying if it is right or wrong, but I can offer you a description of the war from Chinese perspective.<< I restate my intent: to see the same thing from different perspectives. As for the poverty of North Korea, it is a complicated issue. Can we equate the poverty of North Korea with the ailment of communism? Obviously, it is debatable that which system is superior. Just put it aside. We are discussing about the triggering factors of the Korean War. The information itself both you and I have acquired are second-hand, which has been processed by the historians cencored by the political authorities. The problem of the Korean Peninsula is complex. Leave it to the politicians. LOL! Cheers |
| Jun 12, 2008 00:02 | #40 |
| “Leave it to the politicians.” Couldn’t agree more. Dodger. |
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