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| Jan 12, 2010 03:14 | #11   |
 | You are right GUEST56202. As travellers, we are all guilty of forcing change. Even Marco Polo had an impact. GUEST17519..In my opinion Fenghuang is worth a few nights. I stayed a week, but I had good company. As ELLYSE says, it is commercialised but so is most of China. It is not "real" but neither are Shanghai or Beijing. You won't find much in China that's "real" anymore. The rice terraces will be freezing in January but so will Yangshuo. In my opinion the best part of the Li River is near Xingping. (Take a look at a 20 yuan note and you will see why) |
| Jan 12, 2010 07:10 | #12 |
| Look, you're not getting the point here. What tourism authorities and developers assume is "good" for the tourism development, is NOT what a lot of foreign travellers would appreciate. These authorities and developers are misguided -- more concerned about making a quick buck NOW, without considering the long-term consequences. If you cannot understand this, then forget it, this discussion isn't going to get anywhere. |
| Jan 12, 2010 13:52 | #13 |
| Quote:Originally Posted by ELLYSE If you cannot understand this, then forget it, this discussion isn't going to get anywhere. What a patronising and condescending remark! So you are right and dissenters are not even worth talking to. I am obviously stupid because I mistakenly thought this forum was a place for discussion. Maybe it's YOU who is "not getting the point here" ELLYSE. Some people believe that ALL "tourism development" is not good! |
| Jan 12, 2010 17:53 | #14 |
| BOBERT, sorry but my previous reply wasn't aimed at you, but at FLP before you. I'm not criticising you, as we weren't discussing anything before. I was trying to explain my viewpoint to FLP, who apparently isn't understanding it very well. I don't presume to say that ALL tourism development isn't good. I would like to see more sustainable and thoughtful tourism development in China, but the vast majority of what I've seen is misguided, myopic or inconsiderate. Seriously though, just about anything, anywhere in China is real, be it in Shanghai, Beijing or Fenghuang. There're locals living their lives here alongside where visitors are, how could THAT not be "real"? |
| Jan 12, 2010 21:18 | #15 |
| Quote:Originally Posted by ELLYSE Seriously though, just about anything, anywhere in China is real, be it in Shanghai, Beijing or Fenghuang. There're locals living their lives here alongside where visitors are, how could THAT not be "real"?You have answered your own question ELLYSE. The fact that locals live ALONGSIDE where the visitors are is testament to the surrealism. Fenghuang is about as "real" as a $3 note. |
| Jan 12, 2010 21:37 | #16 |
| Quote:Originally Posted by ELLYSE I don't presume to say that ALL tourism development isn't good. Perhaps you should read my post again ELLYSE. I said " Some people believe that ALL "tourism development" is not good!" I for one think so. I hate change. Unfortunately the only thing in life that's constant, is change. I think this is partly the point that FLP was trying to make. He/she was also suggesting that the very thing that attracts us initially, is what destroys it eventually. Like it or not, tourists all have an impact. We all contribute to the change and exploitation of people and places through our voyeurism. |
| Jan 13, 2010 02:54 | #17 |
| GUEST52074 | It's different way of interpretations but from what I see in the last few posts; ROBERT is more reasonable. ELLYSE, Either you have not explained well or not reasonable enough. You mentioned "commercialism" and I associate it with "touristy" which is close and related. You should know that a tourism place is only touristy and commercialised if people are willing to visit it; and I emphasized that if anyone is to be blame,. you are one of the main culprit beacuse you are also promoting tourism here. You mentioned authoriieses and developers are misguided, and all they want to make is fast buck, who isn't in China ? Everyone is doing things for personal reasons, What's wrong anyway ? If a place is not well developed, how could it attract tourists ? Mountains need roads, public toilets and cable cars to bring in tourists. Tourists need to eat, drink , sleep and be entertained too, so that brought in restaurants, sellers, clubs, hotels, etc. So what's the "long term consequences that you thibnk is bad" ? As I mentioned, China either have it like Bhutan or catch up with developments, there is NO in between. What's wrong ? If you think the development are NOT right, give SPECIFIC suggestions, don't give a general statement like "if you cannot understand, forget it" type of "accusations". Others certainly understand, I think it is you who CHOOSE not to understand. BTW, when ROBERT refer to places not "real" he is refering to mostly man-made and developed tourists attractions rather than natural ones. Just like Singapore. |
| Jan 13, 2010 03:11 | #18 |
| Never mind. Let's forget it here. Try comparing the business models of China's tourism (culture/landscape) with countries such as Switzerland, England, Canada. |
| Jan 13, 2010 14:34 | #19 |
| Quote:Originally Posted by ELLYSE Never mind. Let's forget it here.I thought the purpose of visiting this website was enlightenment through discussion. |
| Jan 14, 2010 19:47 | #20 |
| I agree with Bobert. I didn't travel much before when I was in China. However the doubt rising in my mind , when I was on the train to the city of Xia Men, Fu Jian Provice, was that why we ignored masses of gorgeous natural scenary all the way on the train on which It took me a long time to get a boring tourist spot. At that time, I though China was wasting tourism resourse due to lack of funding and knowledge of tour design. |
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