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| Jul 25, 2007 13:04 | #11   |
 | The fun part is always then to discover how societies differ from each other which ultimately will present some clues on how various races and civilizations are being 'brought up'. In that, China is THE place with so much diversification that you'll never ever finish enjoying! |
| Aug 1, 2007 19:53 | #12 |
| I'm Alice lee, a native Chinese lady in Xi'an, I've read all the commentaries above of different ideas, and it showed that GRIZ326 is quite more mature than any other person. Any laws is made by human being to regulate the behavior of the people in a certain society to keep it going normally and safely. Do not say which system is good or not, each one is suitable to its special situations it has. If you are a law abiding citizen, the cop will not get involved in your own life. Chinese tend to seek a peaceful life all the time, so sometimes they wll use money to solve the disputes other than the long and exaustiong law suits ? It is easy to understand. Did you see a lot of cops in the street when you are walking leisurly in China ? Now the police have changed their attitude toward the suspects, assuming that they are innocent but not guilty, so it result in the totally different consequence. The humanity of the law is showing out to its civilians. In one word, living in China is very very safe. Fraud or bribes occurs in every moment around the world, just take it as part of your life. Do not complain any more. Even the ideal society can't get everyone happy. Do you agree ? If you want to argue with me further, email it to me: hotmail.com|aliceleeguide sohu.com|alicelee11 |
| Aug 2, 2007 10:36 | #13 |
| I did not know that we were arguing, Alice Lee. I saw many police officers in China. They certainly did not interfere with me or anyone around me. I have not experienced a single place in China that is as dangerous as major city in the USA, although the bus station in Guiyang is not very inviting. ;) |
| Aug 2, 2007 11:12 | #14 |
| I didn't notice many police officers when I was in Beijing / Yueyang although my girlfriend did warn me I would attract attention because of my tattoo's so I did keep them covered as much as possible. Like Griz I thought China is a lot safer than major cities in the west. |
| Aug 2, 2007 21:39 | #15 |
| Sorry Griz but I think your view is superficial. You are not allowed to own a motorbike or even an environmentally friendly electric bike in some Guangdong cities. You must pass a politics exam to go to continue university esucation. You may dicuss political issues up to a point but may not openly cjhallenge the government view or act on them. And most of my students couldnt even if they wanted to because they have only been taught one view. Police are not needed on the streets becausse people have been taught what is acceptable and abide by it. This is not a criticism of the Chinese way, just some examples which counter your view. Not all freedoms are in the public interest. In the USA you have the freedom to own guns...China sensibly does allow this freedom to its people. In China we have the freedom to deprive others of fresh air while smoking in public places, harm children my blowing smoke in their faces...... but I hope and expect that China will follow the trend in due course and these freedoms will be taken away, giving a new freedom to the majority who are non smokers. I forget which of the old phiosophers said 'man is born free, but everywhere is in chains'. The point is we must give up some individual freedom for the benefit of the whole society. If we don't we have pure anarchy. In some quiet cities there are many police patrolling the streets in the evenings and early night... fine if that is what the society wants, I am only saying Griz that .....that you need to come back again and see some more !!! :) |
| Aug 3, 2007 01:49 | #16 |
| 'man is born free, but everywhere is in chains'. Very thoughtful. |
| Aug 3, 2007 06:40 | #17 |
| Yes, May, there is a price for every thing and it is all relitive to where we all live. Dodger. |
| Aug 3, 2007 11:05 | #18 |
| Thank you, Paul....this is the sort of response I was hoping to see even though I do not see your points in the same light as you. My impressions are indeed superficial. >>>You may dicuss political issues up to a point but may not openly cjhallenge the government view or act on them. As a former newspaper publisher I can say the same is true in the States. The form of retribution may be less direct, but step on important toes and there will be retribution. >>>You must pass a politics exam to go to continue university esucation. ... And most of my students couldnt (discuss politics) even if they wanted to because they have only been taught one view. Hmmmm.... US schools fill student's heads with very bad information, but never test to see if the bad information stuck. The proof that it stuck is most evident in the terrible men elected as president since 1960...with the exception of Richard Nixon. >>>You are not allowed to own a motorbike or even an environmentally friendly electric bike in some Guangdong cities. When I first heard that, it did not make sense to me. Later a woman told me that the outlawing of electric bikes was an effort to prevent drive-by "purse snatchings." It still didn't make sense to me.............??? I can see the need to control the proliferation of fuel power vehicles of all kinds, but that still doesn't make sense. >>>In the USA you have the freedom to own guns...China sensibly does allow this freedom to its people. I have lions, bear and moose in my yard several times a year, so a firearm provides protection from those potentially dangerous animals. ...but more importantly, I need guns to protect myself from the heinous criminals the government does not prosecute because it is too busy harassing productive citizens like myself. I am not speaking figuratively; I am speaking literally about my neighbors. >>>The point is we must give up some individual freedom for the benefit of the whole society. I could not disagree more, Paul. Proper training should instill correct behavior eliminating the need for laws denying liberties. It seems that is reflected in your comment: >>>people have been taught what is acceptable and abide by it That comment sounds like my definition of freedom, Paul. Requiring armed people to enforce trite laws sounds like the antithesis of freedom. It will be interesting to see how my opinion changes after a year or two of teaching in China. |
| Aug 4, 2007 06:05 | #19 |
| Griz, you said, " Proper training should instill correct behavior eliminating the need for laws denying liberties。” (Ah, China's harmonious society' ) Yes indeed, you are right but where does education stop and indoctrination begin? About those bears... if you followed your own advice and LEARNT about bears and other wild animals you would learn to keep out of their way then you wouldnt have a need for guns to protect yourself! If we take guns away from everybody, that removes many of the heinous crimes u refer to. So you woulkd lkike the freedom to sell all forms of narcotics/drugs in the USA? Fortuinately, neither the Chinese nor Americans have this freedom. Methinks your view of China on 'freedom' is somewhat biased by your negative views and experiences of your own country in this area. (not to mention your 'libertarian' perspective ...cos that would be talking politics and we mustn't ! :) :) ) Glad you enjoyed yrself anyway... I hope you will write up yourr adventures... I will when I settle down in my new job in a month... but at the moment enjoying minority villages and customs in Guizhou... today a 'politically incorrect' bullfight. !! |
| Aug 4, 2007 15:50 | #20 |
| * hehehe * keep out of the way of bears, lion and moose? That is not possible here - they are where they find you. Guns are a technology that escaped from Pandora's box long ago. China Daily recently had an article about illegal gun manufacturing in Qinghai. If there are illegal guns in the hands of criminals in China it is surely impossible to keep guns out of the hands of criminals in less civilized places like the United States or Australia. >>>So you woulkd lkike the freedom to sell all forms of narcotics/drugs in the USA? Where did that question come from? I never said a word about narcotics. I am not a fan of either medicinal or illegal drugs and believe they are of limited value (of course, there are exceptions). But people who want drugs should be able to get what they want. I believe in the freedom to ruin your life. We must have different definitions of heinous crimes, Paul. Most heinous crimes do not involve firearms. I hope you enjoy the bullfight, ...and yes, I'm going to write up a few things about my trip once I get caught up at work. :) |
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