| if you fall in love with a muslim when you are not,what will you do? | |
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| Sep 16, 2008 08:38 | #81   |
 | This thread is so very interesting, and it raises a lot of interpersonal, moral, and cultural issues. I, for one, think it all may be part of a bigger picture relating to basic religions, interpretations of religions, and the effects of religions and the interpretation on people. Doing a bit of background research, I've not been able to find any proven, witnessed, documented, or otherwise authenticated "sightings" of God (pick any name or interpretation you like!). So here we have this abstract concept that, for the most part, states: 1. God is great 2. God created the world and humanity 3. Humanity must worship God 4. Man must behave morally (within the limits defined by interpreters of religions) 5. "Thou shalt not kill" is stated in many ways as a prime part of all modern religions. So here's the conundrum: given the abstract concept of God, interpreted over the centuries by many people (with mixed motives and ambitions), we now have numerous Christain sects (Cathlics, Protestants, Pentecostal, etc.), Muslim sects (Shi'ite, Sunni, etc.), Jewish sects (Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, etc.). The only thing these sects have in common is that they basically hate each other! So many sects state "if you don't believe our way, you won't get into heaven!" Worse yet, people of one sect willingly KILL people of other sects merely because they don't believe in the same interpretation of God! Doesn't anyone think that this is symptomatic of a psychotic condition inherent in humanity? Too much religion (based on a CONCEPT only!) and not enough humanity? So many contributors to these threads are really nice people, so I think this could be a very interesting thread: "why do we kill each other in the name of God?" Anyone agree? Should this thread be under "Culture"? If anyone answers me - I'll start the thread, unless someone else wants to start it. I think it would result in some lively discussion! Seth |
| Sep 16, 2008 18:45 | #82 |
| Seth, take the most primitive group of people in the world and you will find some form of spiritual worship. When most of their time is spent just staying alive they still find time to have ritual in their life’s. Is it because we search for a reason for our existence? Please start the thread. It will bring out some interesting views. Dodger. |
| Sep 16, 2008 21:50 | #83 |
| Seth, very insightful thoughts! Quite often, different sects imposed " zero-tolerance policy" on heretics. "Religious tolerance" is for the sake of propaganda. |
| Sep 16, 2008 23:28 | #84 |
| hi Lionpower, How's going?well i have;t post for couple of days because of i was in bad mood,and another reason is i was shuttling back and forth between HUNAN AND ZHEJIANG......about my guess ,it was just from her post and her dress,,As muslim girl,if she is not from a muslim country,it might not be a supprise to see her dress like her photo shows,but if she is from a muslim country,i don't think it 's common to dress in that way. |
| Sep 17, 2008 10:01 | #85 |
| Thanks Sonia, About dress.-- In our country most of Muslim women wearing dresses that are not supported by Islamic Law althou here more than 80% Muslim. Here no dress difference between a Muslim or a Hindu, or a Christian or Buddish women in general. So we can't differentiate by their dress. My opinion her dress is OK, if she covered her hair and chest by cloth which is looks good. This is basic Islamic law. If you don't like to wear that, its up to you. Islam says strictly, " Don't press/force any body for religion". You can say only, remaining up to individual body. I believe that ," God ways take care of us". So why we should qurrel each other as we are all under HIM. ? |
| Sep 18, 2008 13:59 | #86 |
| GUEST10513 | @ SETH...where did u get this...''Islam probably the only religion that preaches ''Death to infidels and apostates''.'' ??!! plz site me the reference. Does the word ''Islamophobia'' sound familiar to you? coz thats the reason u've said so. And I am more than sure you don't know much about Islam. So can I plz request you to refrain yourself from quoting such things? @ CARLOS...''...life with her muslim husband is full of limits and humiliation.''...!! ..he could have been Cristian or Jew but he happens to be a Muslim and hence we all assume that Muslims are the baddest-guys on earth. And Muslims humiliate their wives!!! Are u guys talking sane? |
| Sep 19, 2008 03:48 | #87 |
| From the thread started by Sonia, it is good to see some insights about Islam and what the laypersons thought about it. I do not study much about religions except a few books and some discussions with friends. Personally, I like what Sonia, LP and Dodger discussed, while others indeed have my respect too. The discussion entails about a girl, should she be a muslim? Basically religion is a belief system that one agrees and submits. To a Christian means to believe in Jesus Christ and submits to him, and of course to a Muslim means total submission to God and follow the way of the Prophet. When God proscribes eating of swine flesh, then pious Muslims will adhere to this rule without question. The problem comes when not because a person thinks one religion is better that the other, but forces him/her to believe what he believes. To understand about a religion, one needs to understand its tenets and not what is being practised, personal interpretations or customary laws. It is also good if friends here, especially LP can cite some bibliographical references because it is good to share some information and knowledge. Thank you. |
| Sep 19, 2008 05:48 | #88 |
| Guest10513, whether Seth has misquoted is not really the question here. I haven’t heard of any Jews or Christian or any other religious group that have to date strapped a bomb on them self’s and then walked into a crowed and exploded it. Is it a coincidence that they are all Muslims? I stand to be corrected however. Dodger. |
| Sep 19, 2008 09:41 | #89 |
| In reply to GUEST10513: I don't believe that all Muslims are evil, but I have read and heard that Islam is especially harsh in dealing with apostates and criminals (from Sharia Law and certain Hadiths). In Catholicism, you can be excommunicated but left alive. In Judaism, you can be ostracized as a non-believer or basic bad guy, but left alive. Below is some reseach about Islam and apostates: "The punishment for apostasy from Islam is a controversial topic for Muslims living in the West and for ex-Muslims everywhere. That’s because Islam teaches that apostates are to be killed. We know from historic Islamic documents that during Muhammad's lifetime, and the lifetimes of the next four "Rightly Guided Caliphs", tens of thousands of Muslims left the faith of Islam and thousands were killed. On a large scale the Muslims made war on groups that chose to leave Islam and massacres of apostates occurred. On a smaller scale individual apostates were executed. This death sentence is in effect whether or not the apostasy occurred in or out of the Islamic state. Many Muslims living in Islamic countries have no problem with the rule of putting apostates to death. The examples of Robert Hussein[1] of Kuwait, Abdul Rahman[2] of Afghanistan, and Bahaa el-Din Ahmed Hussein el-Akkad[3] of Egypt come to mind. These ugly Muslim governments are succored by the West’s finances and blood while they impose an imperial and brutal religion upon its citizens. On the other hand, Muslims living in the West are embarrassed by this death sentence. The West values the freedoms of thought and speech, Islam does not, and these virtues have never blossomed under Islamic rule. Consequently, when asked about the Islamic law for apostates many Western Muslims do their best to cover up Islam’s edict. Motivated by conviction, or shame, they make up various defenses and say whatever they can to put your mind at ease and make Islam more acceptable to a naïve, gullible, and ignorant Western audience. It is not difficult to make the Quran dance and say what you want it to say. More on these arguments later. (More in next post) |
| Sep 19, 2008 09:42 | #90 |
| (rest of previous post) "We must examine the Islamic source materials: the Quran, Hadith, and Sira. We must examine not only Muhammad’s words, but his deeds, and the deeds of those who knew, loved, and obeyed him. What exactly was the law during Muhammad's and the Caliph's time? What did the great scholars of Islam teach on this issue? It is left to the Muslims to define their doctrines. But once defined we should understand them for they affect our lives. Note then that for some 1400 years the defined sentence for apostasy was execution. Few Muslim scholars have ever challenged this definition; the overwhelming majority of Islamic scholars supported it. Later in this article as you read the objections of various modern Muslims arguing against the death sentence bear in mind that it is they who are deviating from the judgment established by the depth and breadth of Islamic jurisprudence." (ref.: http://www.answering-islam.org/ |
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